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What The Oil Bulls Got Wrong | Michael Kao & Alexander Stahel on the Chinese Yuan & Oil "Doom Loop"

-- On todays episode of Forward Guidance, Michael Kao, former hedge fund manager turned private investor & Alexander Stahel, Founder & CIO at Burggraben Holding AG join the show for a discussion on the current state of global macro & how those current macro factors are impacting energy m

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Blockworks HostMichael Kau GuestAlexander Stahel Guest

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Executive Summary: Michael Kau and Alexander Stahel argue the oil market is more bearish than most expect because China’s weak consumer backdrop, yuan devaluation risk, and growing global supply are offsetting any reopening boost. They say Russian barrels largely found new homes, OPEC+ cuts have been premature, and a strong dollar/yuan weakness could pressure oil further, with WTI potentially revisiting the $50s.

Main Topics: China yuan devaluation and the oil doom loop (Priority: 5/5): Michael frames China’s weak CNY as a self-reinforcing loop: China needs growth, but devaluing the yuan helps exports while lowering dollar-priced oil demand and importing less inflation now that oil is lower. Why the China reopening was a dud for oil demand (Priority: 5/5): Alex argues China had already been importing and refining heavily during lockdowns, with elevated inventories, so reopening did not create a fresh demand surge. The consumer recovery has been too weak and too zigzagged to drive a sustained oil bull case. Russian barrels did not disappear (Priority: 5/5): Both speakers say sanctions did not remove nearly as much Russian supply as feared. Instead, barrels rerouted to India, China, Turkey and others, while discounted pricing encouraged continued exports. Demand destruction from high prices and broad macro weakness (Priority: 4/5): They contend oil above $100 damaged consumption, especially in Europe and Asia, and that lagging demand indicators caused many analysts to miss the downturn until after prices had already fallen. OPEC+ cuts, spare capacity, and forward supply elasticity (Priority: 4/5): Michael and Alex argue OPEC+ cuts were too early and have increased the market’s forward supply elasticity by preserving spare capacity and encouraging future responses from China, OPEC, and producers. US oil market, SPR, and energy independence debate (Priority: 3/5): The discussion turns to U.S. inventories, falling SPR levels, shale growth, refinery crude-quality constraints, and whether America still needs large strategic reserves. Natural gas and Europe’s weather-driven relief (Priority: 3/5): Alex explains why European gas prices collapsed after a warm winter and heavy storage build, but cautions the gas market is still seasonal and structurally vulnerable in winter.

Key Arguments: China’s consumer is still weak because COVID support was minimal and lockdowns were longer than in the West, so reopening did not unleash a large new oil demand wave. A weak yuan reduces China’s need to import inflation and pressures dollar-priced oil demand; a strong yuan would be politically and economically difficult to sustain. Russian crude and products were rerouted rather than removed; the market overestimated sanctions-driven supply losses. Oil prices above $100 historically destroy demand, especially when consumer prices, gas, diesel, and electricity are simultaneously high. Demand metrics are lagging indicators, so analysts who waited for visible demand destruction were too late; macro conditions mattered more than near-term physical tightness. OPEC+ cuts preserved spare capacity and created more future supply elasticity, limiting how much prices can rise later and potentially weakening the next rally. China’s SPR build and OPEC+ restraint make future oil spikes less durable because supply can re-enter or be released if prices rise. The U.S. is far more supply-rich than before, with high production and exports, but still depends on crude quality matching refinery needs and retains geopolitical reserve concerns.

Data Points: Brent crude price: about $73/bbl - Used as the current price after the prior bull run and subsequent decline Peak oil price cited: $120-$125/bbl - Referenced as the summer 2022 high that triggered bearish views Chinese yuan move: 6.80 to 7.20 per dollar - Michael cites the yuan weakening since March Russian oil exports: about 7 million bpd - Broad estimate of Russia’s crude plus product exports before sanctions re-routing Expected Russian losses that never materialized: ~1 million bpd conservative estimate; 4 million bpd hyperbolic calls - Discussing how badly the market misjudged sanctions impact India’s imports of Russian crude: from zero to about 2 million bpd - Alex says India became the main outlet for Russian crude China’s added Russian crude imports: about 0.5 million bpd - Part of the re-routing of Russian barrels Iran supply surprise: 300,000-400,000 bpd; up to ~700,000 bpd from January - Alex says multiple producers surprised to the upside NAFTA market size: 8-9 million bpd - Alex notes chemical-sector weakness in naphtha cracks U.S. crude oil production: 5.5 million bpd in 2010 vs 12.2 million bpd now - Used to argue the U.S. oil market has transformed U.S. net imports: 8.9 million bpd in 2010 vs 2.3 million bpd now - Shows reduced import dependence U.S. exports: about 4 million bpd - Refinery and crude-quality trade supports exports U.S. petroleum inventories: about 1.6 billion barrels - Current crude and product inventory level discussed by Alex Strategic Petroleum Reserve drawdown: about 300 million barrels sold - Michael references the Biden administration’s SPR sales European CPI peak: 11% - Used to illustrate energy-driven inflation and broad price pressure U.S. CPI peak: 9% - Used to show inflation was broad-based, not just energy WTI downside scenario: $50 handle - Both speakers see WTI potentially revisiting the $50s Potential further downside scenario: below $50 - Michael warns of much lower prices if OPEC+ discipline breaks Europe gas storage: about 100 bcm - Alex notes storage was filled after a warm winter and strong supply response China crude inventory status: near peak COVID levels - Alex says crude inventories are very high and not bullish Refinery jet fuel share: about 7%-8% of output - Explains why more flying in China doesn’t justify large increases in crude runs European winter temperature example: 16°C on New Year’s Eve in Zurich - Illustrates how unusually warm weather softened gas demand

Pivotal Quotes: "The only sugar high we're going to see is in dollar-yuan exchange rate, and that's going to be deflationary in the short term." — Michael Kau: Explaining why Chinese stimulus would not create an immediate commodity boom while the Fed and ECB remain restrictive "We lost practically zero barrels." — Alexander Stahel: Summarizing how Russian oil flows were rerouted rather than removed after sanctions "I could see oil having a 50 handle before this cycle is done." — Michael Kau: His bearish price outlook for WTI over the next phase of the cycle

Implications: The speakers see oil as vulnerable to further downside as China weakens, supply stays resilient, and OPEC+ has fewer easy levers. For investors, they prefer macro hedges like short yuan over outright crude shorts.

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