Animal Spirits Podcast
Animal Spirits Podcast

When Money Becomes a Liability (EP.296)

On today's show, we discuss if inflation is behind us, the AI bubble, popular strategies during a bear market, Fleishman in real life, parking spaces, and much more! Find complete shownotes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s A Wealth of Common Sense Michael Batnick’s The Irrelevant Investor Like us

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Executive Summary: The episode centered on fading but still-sticky inflation, arguing that the market is moving from an inflation-only obsession to a broader focus on growth, labor, housing, and rates. The hosts also covered AI and crypto regulation, zero-day options, bond ETF flows, housing scarcity from low mortgage rates, tech layoffs, and how expensive everyday life has become for families.

Main Topics: Inflation is cooling, but not fast enough (Priority: 5/5): They argued the CPI print suggested inflation is still elevated, especially in services, but the crisis phase may be behind us. The market reacted less violently than before, implying inflation is no longer the only story, even if it remains the biggest one. Rates, bond yields, and the Fed’s path (Priority: 5/5): The hosts emphasized that higher short-term rates and a 4.6% two-year yield point to a 'higher for longer' regime. They suggested the economy is too strong for immediate cuts and that bonds now offer meaningful yield again. AI boom, bubbles, and Google’s position (Priority: 4/5): They discussed whether AI can become a bubble even with higher rates, concluding yes. They also debated the market reaction to AI competition, arguing Google’s installed base and user inertia may make it harder to displace than the market assumes. Housing market locked by low mortgage rates (Priority: 5/5): A major theme was that 3% mortgages have frozen inventory because homeowners are unwilling to sell and give up cheap debt. They argued builders may be the main source of inventory and incentives, not existing sellers. Market behavior: junk rallies, covered calls, and zero-DTE options (Priority: 4/5): They discussed speculative behavior showing up in heavily shorted stocks, the popularity of covered-call ETFs after 2022, and zero-day options potentially distorting volatility. The larger point was that investors keep reacting to the last market regime. Labor market remains resilient, but uneven (Priority: 4/5): They highlighted layoffs in tech and white-collar roles, but contrasted that with strong job growth in services, healthcare, leisure, and hospitality. The labor market is still healthy overall, just shifting away from tech overhiring. Everyday cost pressures and family life (Priority: 3/5): The hosts touched on food delivery, babysitting, parking, big SUVs, and the practical burdens of family life. These anecdotes reinforced the episode’s broader point that inflation and rising costs still affect behavior even as headline CPI cools.

Key Arguments: Inflation is still the dominant macro story, but its influence on markets has declined as other variables like GDP, labor, and housing gain importance. Services inflation is the key source of stickiness, while goods ex-energy and energy are easing. Higher short-term yields and a strong labor market make Fed cuts unlikely in the near term. A recession is not required for AI to become a bubble; elevated rates do not prevent bubbles. Google may be less vulnerable in AI search than the market thinks because switching costs and user inertia are powerful. The housing market is effectively locked because millions of homeowners have mortgages below 3.5% and will not sell unless forced. Zero-day options and short covering may be adding noise and volatility to markets. Covered-call funds are popular because investors are fighting the last war after the 2022 drawdown. Tech layoffs are real, but many laid-off workers are still well positioned to find better-paying jobs quickly. Everyday life has become more expensive and logistically harder for families, from babysitting to delivery to car size and parking.

Data Points: CPI year-over-year inflation: 6.45% to 6.41% - They said inflation fell for the seventh month in a row, but only slightly. 2-year Treasury yield: 4.6% - Used to argue the bond market is pricing higher-for-longer rates. 6-month T-bill yield: 5% - Short-term cash now offers meaningful yield again. Inflation basket in outright deflation: 34% by weight - Tom Lee’s point that a large share of the CPI basket is falling outright. Historical average deflation share of CPI basket: 30% - Compared with the current 34% figure. Bond ETF inflows in January: $20 billion - Best start to a year in bond ETF flows, per Eric Balchunas. Most heavily shorted stocks performance: +36% average this year - Bespoke described the market as a 'dash for trash'. Average US equity holding period: 10 months - From eToro chart showing trading horizons have shortened over time. Average US mutual fund holding period: 2.5 years - Measured by turnover ratio, presented as more representative of normal investors. Department stores as share of US addressable retail revenue: Down from ~20%-30% historically to under 5% - Benedict Evans chart showing the decline of physical department stores. Retail square feet per capita: US has 3-4x more than peer countries - Illustrated how much retail real estate the US may have to repurpose. Layoff-linked tech job offer: $315,000 all-cash offer - Former Meta employee accepted a new offer $70,000 above previous pay. Boeing hiring and cuts: 10,000 hires and 2,000 white-collar layoffs - Showed simultaneous expansion in manufacturing and cuts in finance/HR. Service-sector job gains in past six months: 1.2 million jobs - Healthcare, education, leisure/hospitality, and other services drove most private payroll growth. Private sector job gains share from services: 63% - Services accounted for most recent job growth. Bars and restaurants January job gains: 99,000 - Evidence of strong service-sector labor demand. Healthcare January job gains: 58,000 - Another example of broad service-sector hiring. Retail January job gains: 30,000 - Retail also added jobs despite broader tech layoffs. Consumers cutting food delivery: 1 in 3 - Many consumers are reducing delivery use due to cost. Babysitting rate: $22.60/hour - National average for one child last year. Babysitting rate increase: +21% over two years - Shows family costs rising sharply. Home price pullbacks in major markets: 24 of 150 markets down more than 5% - Mostly in boom markets like San Francisco, Austin, Phoenix, Seattle, Boise. San Francisco housing boom retracement: -42% - A severe giveback versus more stable Midwestern markets. Chicago pandemic housing boom retracement: -4% - Midwest markets have held up much better. Americans better off financially now: 35% - Gallup survey of personal finances. Americans worse off financially now: 50% - Rare high level of negative sentiment, similar to Great Recession eras. Used car prices in January: +2.5% month over month - Largest monthly increase since end of 2021.

Pivotal Quotes: "I feel like the crisis stage of inflation is behind us." — Michael: Opening discussion on the CPI print and how markets are reacting to inflation. "We see neither a bull nor a bear market, just a market." — Wells Fargo via Sam Rowe: Used to argue the current market may be stuck in a range rather than trending dramatically. "There is simply no path to registration for many crypto products." — Jason Gottlieb quoting the crypto regulatory environment: Discussing the SEC’s enforcement approach toward Kraken staking and broader crypto regulation.

Implications: Inflation may no longer dominate every trade, but sticky services prices and strong labor data suggest rates stay higher longer. Housing, AI, and market structure issues could become bigger drivers of returns and volatility.

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