Episode Summary
Executive Summary: Howard Marks argues that the 2008-2021 era of ultra-low interest rates created “easy money” conditions that stimulated growth, lifted asset prices, reduced perceived costs, and encouraged excessive risk-taking, speculation, malinvestment, and even scams. Drawing on historical and contemporary examples, he warns that many outcomes attributed to skill were instead helped by cheap capital.
Main Topics: The backstory and inspiration for the memo (Priority: 3/5): Marks explains how earlier memos, feedback from clients, and Edward Chancellor’s books inspired his current framework for thinking about interest rates, speculation, and the role of easy money in markets. Low rates as an engine of economic stimulation (Priority: 5/5): He argues that central-bank rate cuts lower borrowing costs, support consumers and businesses, and keep the economy aloft temporarily, but can also overheat activity and create inflationary pressures. How low rates distort investor behavior (Priority: 5/5): Marks emphasizes that near-zero rates reduce opportunity cost, making spending, borrowing, and investing feel painless and pushing investors toward riskier assets in search of returns. Asset inflation, bubbles, and lower required returns (Priority: 5/5): He links low discount rates and low bond yields to higher valuations across equities, real estate, private equity, and other assets, increasing the odds of bubbles and inflated pricing. Risk-taking, speculation, and malinvestment (Priority: 5/5): The memo argues that prolonged easy money lowers standards, flattens return expectations, and encourages speculative or dubious investments that may later prove unwise. Examples from recent markets (Priority: 4/5): Marks cites Argentina’s 100-year bonds, leveraged buyout loans, private credit, and zombie companies as concrete examples of how low-rate conditions enabled poor-quality financing and speculative behavior. Historical perspective on interest rates and speculation (Priority: 4/5): Using Adam Smith, Hayek, Fullerton, and Chancellor, Marks frames the phenomenon as longstanding: when interest rates fall, speculation rises and production/investment horizons lengthen.
Key Arguments: Low interest rates stimulate the economy by reducing financing costs and boosting spending, but the effect can be temporary and destabilizing if it pushes growth too far. Near-zero rates reduce the perceived cost of using savings, so consumers and investors are more willing to deploy cash for purchases or speculative activity. Discounted cash flow logic means lower rates mechanically raise present values, contributing to asset inflation across many categories. When safe assets offer very low returns, investors seek yield in riskier or less liquid assets, which compresses risk premia and weakens discipline. Prolonged cheap capital encourages speculation, dubious credit underwriting, and malinvestment because projects with distant or uncertain payoffs seem acceptable. Low-rate environments can mask poor skill: strong business and market outcomes may reflect the “moving walkway” of easy money rather than superior execution. Historical and modern examples show the same pattern recurring across eras: falling rates precede speculative manias and financial excess. As rates normalize, the consequences of those earlier distortions become visible, especially in strained sectors like private equity, high-yield lending, and weak credits.
Data Points: Memo writing start year: 1990 - Marks says he began writing memos in 1990. Years before first response: 10 years - He notes he received no response for the first decade of writing memos. First widely notable memo date: first business day of 2000 - He published “bubble.com” then, warning about tech-sector excesses. Low-rate era covered in Sea Change: 13 years - From end of 2008 to end of 2021. Fed funds rate after GFC: zero - The Fed cut rates to zero after the global financial crisis. Length of bull market referenced: 10+ years - Marks calls it the longest bull market in U.S. history. Argentina bond maturity: 100 years - He cites Argentina’s 100-year bonds offered in 2017. Argentina bond yield: 7.85% - Yield on the 100-year bonds during the low-rate environment. 30-year Treasury yield: 2.77% - Benchmark yield available at the time of Argentina’s bond issuance. Time to IMF request: less than a year - After issuing the 100-year bonds, Argentina requested an IMF loan within a year. Time to default: less than three years - Argentina defaulted on the bonds in under three years. Estimated recovery value: roughly 54.5 cents on the dollar - Expected recovery value for restructured 2020 Argentina bonds. Leveraged buyout loan yield: around 6% - Historically low yields in the 2010s for LBO loans. Private credit leveraged return: roughly 9% - Marks says private credit lenders levered up prospective returns to this level. Time period of favored borrowing by zombie companies: through 2021 - Weak companies could still borrow easily during the pro-risk period.
Pivotal Quotes: "easy times fueled by easy money" — Howard Marks: His concise summary of the post-2008 environment. "we should never confuse brains with the bull market" — Howard Marks: He warns that strong results may reflect the market backdrop rather than skill. "Treasury yields are so low it's forcing investors into risk. That's why people are buying crazy stuff" — Piot Matis: Quoted in a Wall Street Journal article as evidence of yield-driven risk-taking.
Implications: Listeners should view many recent gains and financing decisions as products of unusually low rates, not just skill or fundamentals. As rates normalize, excess leverage, weak credits, and speculative assets may face repricing and stress.
About The Memo by Howard Marks
On October 12, 1990, Oaktree Co-Chairman Howard Marks published his first memo to clients. In the decades since, he has periodically released memos reflecting his viewpoint on the investment landscape, as well as more general business insights. On this podcast we'll hear the latest memos by Howard, released in tandem with or shortly after their publication.