The Memo by Howard Marks
The Memo by Howard Marks

Further Thoughts on "Sea Change"

Howard Marks's Memo "Further Thoughts on ‘Sea Change’"

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Executive Summary: Howard Marks argues that the 40-year era of falling/ultra-low interest rates and abundant liquidity was a true sea change that inflated asset prices, rewarded leverage, and favored ownership; with inflation higher and the Fed tightening, he believes the investment environment is shifting toward lower growth, higher borrowing costs, and more attractive credit opportunities relative to equities, warranting meaningful portfolio reallocation toward lending.

Main Topics: The 'Sea Change' in the investment environment (Priority: 5/5): Marks says the post-2009 era of easy money was not just cyclical but a structural regime that likely will not repeat, making past winning strategies less reliable. Interest rates as the dominant driver of returns (Priority: 5/5): He emphasizes the 2,000 basis point decline in rates from 1980 to 2020 as a major, underappreciated force behind asset appreciation and investment profits. Why ultra-low rates distorted behavior (Priority: 5/5): Low rates, QE, and a Fed put encouraged leverage, complacency, weak risk discipline, and poor capital allocation, benefiting asset owners and borrowers while hurting lenders and bargain hunters. Credit versus equities in the new regime (Priority: 5/5): Marks argues that current yields on high-yield bonds, leveraged loans, and private credit now compete with or exceed historical equity returns, but with contractual cash flows and less dependence on market sentiment. Portfolio reallocation away from ownership and leverage (Priority: 4/5): He suggests investors should meaningfully increase exposure to credit and reduce reliance on strategies that worked best in the falling-rate era, rather than making token adjustments. Risks and caveats (Priority: 3/5): Marks notes defaults, price volatility, inflation risk, and the possibility that the sea change proves less durable than expected, though he views these as manageable relative to the opportunity.

Key Arguments: The 2009-2021 period was unusually favorable because low rates, QE, and muted inflation boosted asset values, reduced borrowing costs, and supported risk-taking. A 2,000 basis point decline in interest rates over 40 years likely contributed more to investment gains than most investors recognize. Ultra-low rates were an emergency measure after the GFC, but keeping them near zero for nearly seven years was excessive and unlikely to be repeated. Free markets allocate capital best, but the last two decades featured a highly activist Fed that distorted borrowing, investing, and risk behavior. The best-performing strategies in a falling-rate world—asset ownership and leverage—should face weaker tailwinds going forward. Credit investing is more attractive now because yields are high enough to rival historical equity returns while remaining contractual and less dependent on market optimism. If high-yield and loan returns can meet institutional return targets, portfolios should consider a much larger allocation to credit than has been typical. The main downside to credit is defaults and limited upside, but diversified underwriting and pull-to-par dynamics limit severe loss risk. Inflation and policy uncertainty mean returns should be judged in real terms, but other assets also face inflation risk. The case is not for an outright market collapse or extreme defensiveness, but for a strategic shift toward lending over ownership and leverage.

Data Points: Fed funds rate after GFC: ~0% - Set in late 2008 to rescue the economy Duration of near-zero/very low rates: Nearly 7 years - Fed kept rates near zero until late 2015 Era of accommodative policy: 13 years - Roughly 2009 through 2021 Interest rate decline: 2,000 basis points - Approximate fall in rates from 1980 to 2020 Black Monday decline: 22.6% - Dow Jones Industrial Average one-day drop in 1987, cited in the 'this time it's different' discussion High-yield bond yield in early 2022: 4% range - Marks says this was too low to be useful High-yield bond yield today: More than 8% - Used as evidence credit now offers strong prospective returns ICE B of A U.S. High Yield Constrained Index yield: Over 8.5% - Current market yield cited for high-yield debt CS Leveraged Loan Index yield: Roughly 10.0% - Current market yield cited for leveraged loans S&P 500 long-run return: Just over 10% per year - Marks cites this as the historical equity benchmark S&P 500 value growth example: $1 to almost $14,000 - Value of $1 compounded at 10% for 100 years Endowment target return: About 6% annually - Used in his illustrative asset allocation example Potential loan refinance example: $800 million at 5% to $500 million at 8% - Illustrates higher cost of capital and a capital shortfall

Pivotal Quotes: "this time, it really might be different." — Howard Marks: He frames the memo as a genuine structural shift rather than a routine market cycle. "Never confuse brains and a bull market." — Howard Marks: He warns that strong historical returns may have been driven by favorable macro conditions rather than superior strategy or skill. "Mostly, I'm just talking about a reallocation of capital, away from ownership and leverage and toward lending." — Howard Marks: He summarizes the practical portfolio implication of the sea change thesis.

Implications: Investors should expect a tougher, less forgiving regime than 2009-2021 and consider materially larger allocations to credit. Strategies that depended on falling rates and leverage may underperform, while disciplined lending may offer better risk-adjusted returns.

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About The Memo by Howard Marks

On October 12, 1990, Oaktree Co-Chairman Howard Marks published his first memo to clients. In the decades since, he has periodically released memos reflecting his viewpoint on the investment landscape, as well as more general business insights. On this podcast we'll hear the latest memos by Howard, released in tandem with or shortly after their publication.

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