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Ep. 676 - Lock Him Up?

The Left celebrates as federal prosecutors look at indicting Trump, Trump swivels and clocks James Comey, and White House chief of staff John Kelly is out. Date: 12–10-2018 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com

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Executive Summary: The episode centers on the legal peril created by Michael Cohen’s sentencing memos, especially the SDNY’s campaign-finance theory tying hush-money payments to Trump, while the Mueller memo is framed as less damaging. Shapiro argues Democrats are boxed into impeachment rhetoric, Comey’s testimony exposes FBI dysfunction, White House staffing chaos continues, and broader themes include media/social-media mob behavior, a Supreme Court abortion funding ruling, and left-wing overreach on gender pronouns.

Main Topics: Cohen sentencing memo and Trump legal exposure (Priority: 5/5): The SDNY memo is presented as the most serious threat, alleging Cohen helped coordinate hush-money payments intended to influence the 2016 election and that Trump directed the conduct. Shapiro debates whether this is a valid campaign-finance case and whether it could support an eventual indictment or impeachment. Mueller memo and Russia probe limitations (Priority: 4/5): The Mueller sentencing memo is characterized as less damaging, focusing on Cohen’s lies about the Moscow project rather than direct criminal conduct by Trump. Shapiro argues the memo suggests possible perjury/subornation issues but does not itself prove collusion or a standalone Trump crime. Comey, the FBI, and institutional credibility (Priority: 4/5): Shapiro uses Comey’s congressional transcript to argue that the former FBI director is politically motivated and evasive, reinforcing suspicions about the origins and conduct of the Russia investigation and the use of the Steele dossier. White House chaos and chief of staff turnover (Priority: 3/5): John Kelly’s departure and the collapse of Nick Ayers as successor illustrate dysfunction inside the Trump White House. The discussion emphasizes how difficult it is to impose order under Trump’s management style. Social media, moral policing, and censorship (Priority: 4/5): The transcript criticizes the online outrage cycle for targeting people over old posts, highlighted by Kyler Murray’s 14-year-old tweets, Patreon bans, and Jack Dorsey’s virtue-signaling. Shapiro argues tech platforms act like authoritarian moral gatekeepers without consistent standards. Supreme Court, Planned Parenthood funding, and Kavanaugh (Priority: 3/5): The Court’s refusal to hear a case on state defunding of Planned Parenthood is treated as a warning sign that Brett Kavanaugh may be less reliably conservative than expected, especially on abortion-adjacent federalism issues. Left-wing cultural and administrative overreach (Priority: 3/5): The episode condemns a Virginia teacher fired for declining to use a transgender student’s preferred pronoun and criticizes Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Hanukkah remarks and identity politics as shallow substitutes for policy.

Key Arguments: The SDNY memo is more dangerous to Trump than the Mueller memo because it explicitly frames hush-money payments as campaign expenditures intended to affect the election. Campaign-finance prosecution requires high intent and a clear legal theory; Shapiro argues paying hush money may not clearly qualify as an illegal campaign contribution or expenditure. Even if Trump is exposed to indictment after leaving office, prosecuting a sitting president raises major constitutional concerns and impeachment is the more plausible political mechanism. The Mueller memo does not establish collusion; it mainly shows Cohen lied about the Moscow project, which is not itself a crime for Trump unless Trump suborned perjury. Comey’s testimony, full of claimed memory lapses, suggests a politically driven FBI process and deep institutional bias in the Russia investigation. Democrats may be overcommitting by talking publicly about jail and impeachment, which could backfire politically if they fail to convict. Social media companies have become arbitrary enforcers of morality, punishing people for old speech while claiming enlightened neutrality. The Kavanaugh vote not to hear the Planned Parenthood funding case is presented as evidence he may align with Roberts rather than the court’s more conservative bloc. A public school cannot legitimately compel biologically incorrect speech under the banner of anti-discrimination without seriously infringing First Amendment rights.

Data Points: Cohen potential sentence: 51 to 63 months - SDNY recommended sentencing range referenced in the memo against Michael Cohen Campaign contribution limit in 2016: $2,700 - Used to contrast ordinary donor limits with a candidate’s ability to spend unlimited personal funds Obama 2008 campaign penalty: about $400,000 - Referenced as the fine imposed for campaign finance violations rather than felony prosecution Obama 2008 campaign violation amount: nearly $2 million - Cited as the scale of violations discovered in the Obama campaign example Mueller investigation cost: over $30 million - Trump’s tweet and Shapiro’s discussion of the investigation’s cost Transcript length: 235 pages - Comey’s House Judiciary Committee testimony transcript School population: roughly 265 students - West Point High School where the pronoun dispute occurred Israeli attack casualties: 7 wounded - Drive-by shooting near Ofra Distance from Jerusalem: approximately 13 miles north - Location of the Ofra attack Pregnant victim age: 21-year-old - Critically wounded Israeli woman shot in the stomach Mosquito bites during meditation: 117 times - Jack Dorsey’s anecdote about meditating in a cave in Mandalay Daily Wire ranking: number 9 on iTunes for 2018 - Shapiro touts the show’s popularity

Pivotal Quotes: "The SDNY is gearing up for a criminal indictment of President Trump" — Ben Shapiro: His central legal conclusion about the Cohen sentencing memo and Trump’s exposure "the proper solution to President Trump's corruption is for him to be ousted from office in 2020" — James Comey: Shapiro cites Comey’s public statement to argue political bias and escalation "You will be forced to care." — Ben Shapiro: His closing criticism of progressive social and institutional pressure, especially on pronouns and online morality

Implications: The episode warns that Trump faces real legal and political danger from the Cohen case, Democrats may overplay impeachment, and tech/cultural institutions are normalizing punitive speech control and ideological coercion.

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